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MIL Doesn't Want To Move Out

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I originally posted this on the Family Finances board, but they suggested that I bring it here, so here goes.  This is a long, complicated story so bear with me:


 


Our house is 998 square feet on the main level - That consists of 2 bedrooms (1 for me and DH and one for DD) and 1 bathroom.  We also have my 2 DSS every other weekend (ages 7 and 8 ).  While they're with us, they sleep on an air mattress in the living room for the time being - not ideal, I know.  We also have another daughter on the way, as I'm due in July.


My mother-in-law 'rents' the finished basement from us for $100/week, plus she pays the internet and water bills (that are in our name).  The basement is an additional 998 square feet with another bathroom that we can use for our family, but is currently unavailable to us.  It is set up studio-style down there, the only other 'room' is the bathroom.  We have even asked her if she'd consider letting us set up a place for the boys down there and she said no.


DH and I looked into selling our house a month or so ago because we're just running out of space.  We even had a realtor come and do a walk-through.  However, we realized that our home actually works for our family - if his mother wasn't living there.  At the time, we told her of our intent to possibly move.  We aked her if she would be willing to rent the house from us and she declined, saying she was sure she could find something cheaper (our house payment is $525/month).  In the end, we decided to stay and figured we'd ask her to move out sometime in the fall, after my maternity leave was over...which would also give her plenty of time to find her own place.


My MIL has lived there a little over 5 years - my DH moved her from Arizona before we ever began dating).  Her home in AZ was foreclosed on after she lost her job due to failing a drug test (she's a pharmacy tech).  A lot has changed in his life in those 5 years (AKA a wife and 2 more children).  MIL was able to get another job here as a pharmacy tech and actually makes more than either of us.  However, every time we bring up moving out to her, she gives us a guilt trip or makes some comment about how she can't afford it.  She also totalled her car 3-4 weeks ago and had to get another one.  DH told her to buy a nice, used car.  What did she do?  She leased a 2016 Honda Civic.  She joked that night about how she could now only afford to pay us $300/month since she has car payments now.


DH mentioned to his father that he was going to ask his mom to move out in the fall and was actually going to ask him if he'd help fix up our room for the boys and help do a few things in the basement (not help monetarily, just as an extra set of hands).  His dad ended up giving him a huge guilt trip about 'kicking her out" and how awful of us (me) that was.


I also have to add that his dad currently pays DH's child support for 2 DSS.  We never asked him to do this - he just did it.  He and my husband's step-mom are very well off and help all 3 of their children A LOT with finances, so, while it's odd to me, it's all my DH has ever known.  However, FIL threatened to stop paying the child support if/when we move her out....which royally pissed me off, I might add...and not because of the money. Why is FIL more concerned for his ex-wife than his grandchildren????  Are the boys supposed to sleep on the floor until they're 15?  It was always just meant as a temporary solution and it's just not fair.


I can't help but feel like we're being made to be my MIL's unofficial caretakers.  We buy the food, she's pretty anti-social, so she relies on us for interaction, we pay for the electricity (she leaves her lights and TV on while she's at work - ugh!)


DH and I CAN afford to pay the child support and go without the income from MIL (all of the 'rent' she pays us goes in a savings account right now).  I'm just torn...DH is an only child after his sister was killed in a car accident when she was 12 and his parents put a lot of pressure on him.  I also understand that he wants to maintain a good relationship with them...but this is insane.

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I grew some balls and told MIL off!

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http://community.babycenter.com/post/a62794615/mil-out-of-it-or-on-purpose-manipulative-update-page-35-and-6?cpg=6#c2532236776


I posted on DWIL recently about MIL insisting on coming over to spend the night, making us host for the extended family, being pushy and inconsiderate. I did the infamous JADE and told her via email that I am not feeling well and need to excuse myself and my family from any extra activities. MIL suggested I see a councelor! Bitch!


Anyway, today I get email from her again. She blabs on and on about how she feels she is LYING to my ODD and her son (my DH) about not spending the night at our house and how they ( ODD and HD) are "super concerned" and she just cannot lie any longer and I need to either come clean (with my "extensive" problems) or let her come for overnights. I read it when I was at work and I got so pissed off that I my hands were shaking for good 20 minutes. OMG, I was so angry.


I ended up calling her and just telling MIL straight off that there will be NO overnight visits for the forseable future and we are DONE hosting events for the family (except my  kids's bdays). NO, I said, NO MORE. End of convesation. She kept pushing and pushing and telling me how hard it is to drive to volunteer at kids's school (ah, no one is asking her to do that) and being at school at 8:30 am with traffic (lady, do not get to school with the first bell. You are volunteering! leave after traffic and get to school by 10 am! you will still have until past 3 pm to volunteer). No, she does not want to do that bc (enter some BS excuse here). 


I also told her that I am unhappy with a weekend trip she created for her sons to visit wineries which inadvertidly left me at home with 3 kids (she knew I wasn't going to come to the wineries with a toddler). I said "it was very inconsidertate of of you take my husand away and you know I do not feel good". To that she just kept blabbing how she needs to spend the night before at our place bc her son (my DH) is fuckig driving her to the wineries and she wants to avoid traffic. I was like, OK, bizatch, you are leaving me alone for 3 days with 3 kids AND you want to insist on your inconsiderate stay at my house when I just told you NO. Answer is NO! (of couse I did not swear but I sure wanted to). 


I am just proud of myself to have put my food down bc I have been a pansy when it comes to MIL. Otherwise, I am not that shy. But with MIL, she manipulates her way and she really trully thinks of herself as a saint without flaws. My 2 other SILs are coming up with their own excuses to not host her either and she does not get it! Pushes them too.


OMG, when will she get the point???I am just glad I put my foot down. Now, until next serious of ridicuous emails....which I will ignore this time.

Invisible to ILs

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I wish I would have found this board before, it would have prevented a few things.  I have been lurking for a bit and have made some changes based on what I've read, but feel like I am at a block now.


BC- IL family does not accept me as part of the family.  We have always lived across the country from them and so our interactions are always week long visits once or twice a year.  Before we got married MIL& SIL tried to talk me out of marrying DH because I was young, both got married young and I'm sure have regrets so I chalked it up to that.  Later found out that she did the same thing to DH.


When I visit, I am excluded from conversations.  At first I went out of my way to be included and was very friendly to everyone, after a few years I realized that they didn't see me as a person- just an accessory to DH and ignored me.  After that I kept quiet and out of the way so that DH could enjoy visit- thinking they just want to see him not me so I will be invisible. (realize now that was stupid)  9 years of infertility, MIL was always telling me that we shouldn't have kids, be glad we don't have kids etc.  Never ever was kind about me not able to have kids.  14 years later we have 4 kids, and when they come to visit they ignore me and just want to see the kids.  Last visit my FIL told me to go somewhere so that he could be with the kids because when I am there he can't do what he wants to.  I am not a helicopter mom and never make any suggestions to his interactions with my kids.  I have always been very supportive of his relationship with my kids and go out of my way to make sure their visits are positive.  I offered to let him walk my DS and DD to the park last visit and DS got hurt.  FIL refused to tell me what happened and said it wasn't a big deal.


Several years ago we lived in the same town as BIL and SIL, I was about to have a baby and straight up told MIL that I didn't want a visit at birth, we were moving when DS was going to be 10 days old and that they could visit then since FIL was driving with DH across the country.  MIL and FIL come to visit 2 days before due date and MIL said that it was just to visit SIL, nothing to do with the baby.  Of course they were calling when DS was born to see the baby.  I made them wait until I was home from hospital since I had a CS.  7 days after delivery house was packed up and I was staying in a hotel until I flew out.  ILs took DH with them to get food and were going to bring me back something- I had nothing to eat and was recovering from CS.  They left me with LO and 5 yr old DD- they didn't return until 11 because ILs wanted to spend time with DH.  I was starving, both kids were crying most of the time they were gone.


Every single visit MIL criticizes every single thing I do, from the kind of ice I put in my water to the sponge I use to clean my dishes.  She also compares every thing I do to SIL with kids similar in ages to my own.  I have a kid with a feeding tube and she criticizes Dr's appointments, and the choices I make.  Last time she was here she said that the blend I put in his feeding tube looks like throw up- in front of my DS that has the feeding tube. 


We are moving back to the town where SIL lives.  I told DH that when they visit they can stay with SIL.  She has no kids, and a guest room.  I will have plenty of room in my house, but DH works long hours and so I would be entertaining MIL and FIL all day alone. I told DH I have no desire to ever have them visit again.  DH is trying to be supportive but thinks it's rude that I don't want them to stay at my house and doesn't know how to tell them that.  MIL is also always asking financial information- pretty much no subject is off limits.  DH wants to stand beside my desires in not sharing info with them, but doesn't want to hurt her feelings.  My thoughts are just because someone asks a rude question doesn't mean that you have to answer.  We are going to be remodling the house, MIL is going to be asking about what we are doing and how much it costs and wanting specific info, my thoughts are that we tell her yes we are doing the kitchen (or deck etc) and we will send her pictures when it is complete.  DH thinks that is rude and that there is no harm in sharing information with her.  But he will do his best to not share financial info to respect me.  What do I do next?  How do I make the boundaries with ILs and still be kind to them?


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FMIL meltdown (lengthy)

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Okay, so last night my fmil literally flipped out and stormed out of the room after i answered a question she had about crib bedding. Here's what happened: my fiance and I were outside in the carport/sitting area with fmil talking about the twins im having in May. Fmil asked me if we picked out names yet. I didn't want to tell her because she's made fun of them in the past when we were still deciding, but I gave in because fiance wanted to tell her. She hates the names we have picked, and even asked if we "got off the Keegan kick yet". I told her "good thing we're the parents then because these are the names we're sticking with". Anyway, after that she asked me if we have decided on a theme for the crib bedding. I told her i wasnt going to use crib bedding sets because im not using bumpers or anything anyway. She got offended and asked why i wouldn't use a blanket in their cribs, and i explained to her that it's not safe to use them. She kept telling me that it's bullshit that i think that and that the doctors are wrong blah blah and that sids isnt really a big deal and that i dont know what i am talking about and she raised 2 kids and they're just fine etc. I politely explained that it is just an outdated idea and that we know better now, and that i dont blame her for following the guidelines that she was given 20 years ago for her children. My fiance stood up for me and said that i am correct, and that it is a suffocation risk and that we are the parents. She got pissed because he said that he is going to quit smoking before the babies come and that everyone who does smoke will need to wash their hands, change clothes, and wait at least 20 minutes after smoking before coming near the twins. She then stormed off cussing and ranting about how "my kids arent dead and i smoked when they were inside me and around them and theyre just fine".

Im just so confused on what to say because we are just trying to establish boundaries since we are currently and will be living with them for at least a few months after the twins are born due to financial reasons. Any advice? Im sorry it's so long, it's just a lot happened. I want to bring her to a doctor's appointment so she can hear the truth but i mentioned it and she said "i would laugh in their face". Advice? How do i set boundaries? (Fiance is supportive) (edited to correct errors)

Am I being unreasonable?

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A little BG first. So my brother & FSIL are getting married in September. She's the most controlling person I've ever met & I don't even feel like I know who my brother is anymore. Even though I've voiced my concern to my brother, she asked me to be in the wedding anyway.


So the email starts between the bridesmaids about the 'shower' (but we're only allowed to call it an 'I do BBQ'). There are 80 people invited & they want to do a pig roast. And have a band. And have it on the beach. And make it a luau. The emails kept coming with more & more ideas. At first I thought it was over enthusiastic bridesmaids, which was annoying, but fine. Then I found out that FSIL had chosen every single thing about the shower. She chose the location, the pig vendor, the theme, even the band!!! She's been planning the entire thing & basically expecting us to foot the bill!! Her latest idea it custom coozies.


They live in a different city about 6 hours away, so from the beginning I sent an email saying that I was planning a separate shower in our town because people here, including family, we're not invited to the shower in their town. I said that I would do what I can from here, but my financial responsibility lies with the shower I'm hosting. That was BEFORE I realized how out of control the other shower would get. Anyway, they all ignored me & clearly are depending on me financially. There are 8 of us & so far it sounds like it will be at least a couple hundred dollars for each of us.


What's the best way to handle this? My gut says refer them to my previous email, but should I try to keep the peace?


Sorry it's all over the place.

MIL Problems: Boundary-challenged, overbearing, passive aggressive, you name it..

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Hey guys. So I moved in with my fiance and his parents while I was pregnant so we could be together while we saved money. Our baby boy is now 3 months old and we've been living here for 8 months now. My fiance is working and I will be going back to work in about a month. Our bedroom is upstairs and there is also a separate TV/computer room that we have been told we can use. I am sooo grateful for this help and the ability to save up money. But sometimes I wonder if it is worth the stress and anxiety.

While I do deep down love my MIL and appreciate all of her help, she drives me bat shit crazy.

She is constantly in our business, trying to involve herself in everything possible. And of course she gives unsolicited advice ALL the way through. She tries to tell us what to do/not to do with our son (ex. "Don't give him a pacifier", "you HAVE to breastfeed this long", "he doesn't like that"...), who to invite/who not to invite to our wedding, always needs to know what we're doing,etc. She even starts up conversations about our sex lives?? What kind of mom even wants to think about that? So creepy. She's way too attached to her son and treats both of her adult children like they ARE still children. It's weird and annoying to me that she wakes up at 4 in the morning, Monday through Friday, because that's when he wakes up for work and she wants time with him alone. And then later complains how tired she is. If it's been since the previous day since she has seen my baby, she'll say *at* me about him "I haven't seen you ALL day, I've missed you!" Once I finally said "it's only been a day.." to which she responded she only got to see him for an hour the previous day. On an average day, she spends personal time with him (sometimes literally takes him from me) for 2 hours or more. And actually sees him for much longer. It gets to the point where I hide out upstairs in my few rooms with him because every time I come downstairs, she blockades me from doing anything such as making myself a meal or doing laundry, to tell me a list of things I need to do that day that have nothing to do with her life. She doesn't work so she's home about 90% of the time. She constantly hovers over me and my fiance when we come downstairs, and if we want any space or breathing room at "home" we have to be holed up in a room upstairs. She corrects how I cook and do laundry all the time so I try to only do those things when she's not around. She does and says so many passive aggressive things. Referred to me as "the milk lady" the first two weeks I had my son when I was hormonal and sensitive. Talks about how she always thought her son would marry her long time friend's daughter, and that she loved her son's high school girlfriend so much that she would've adopted her. She laughs at my fiance or me when we tell her we are going to do something different from what she advised because to her we are still kids who don't know anything. She even has called herself "mommy" to my son a couple times and I honestly think she thinks she is a better mother figure for him. She won't accept that it is our turn to raise our son and that I am the mother and wife of our new little family. I am so worried that when we move out in a couple months, she will try to visit every other day, or stop by unannounced, and cross many more boundaries that she seems to be oblivious to. I am very nice to her and try to be accepting of her ways and compromise, but she is costing me my mental health by giving me more stress and anxiety than I have ever experienced. She is so judgmental and always has something bad do say about even the nicest person, and can't help gossiping. Makes me wonder what she says about me behind my back since she does this even to her own family.

She knows I have a generalized and social anxiety disorder and she continues to stomp over any boundaries that even a person without these issues couldn't stand. I have a very hard time with conflict and don't want to make things even more tense or awkward. I don't want to let everything build up and be too honest about how I feel, unleashing an even more passive aggressive monster in law. But approaching her she's always brushed off how we feel and pretty much tells us that's just how it is.
I'm leaving out so much more because this is already super long but PLEASE, what do I do??

MIL RUINING VACAY 276: He called mommy for help. 310: mil text (All updates in Original Post

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I'm a long time lurker and I've changed my screen name because like an idiot I used my real name. I'm going to get flamed hard for this but I want to validate whether I should suck it up and deal when I get home or get the hell out of dodge now.

I'm currently in Playa DeL Carman. A few months ago we planned this vacay and had been saving saving saving so we could go luxe and not have to scrimp. We were originally going with BIL and his wife who I loooove, but they had to cancel because SIL got pregnant and didn't want to travel. All good happy to go with just DF, first time away from DD but she will have a blast with my parents at their lake house with her cousins so all good in the hood.

We go to lunch at MILs one Sunday, share our vacation plans and she seems excited for us. I leave because I have an assignment due and need to get it finished, DF hangs back. He gets home and I mention going online later that night to book everyone and he says "no need, it's all done! MIL wanted to come with us, so she decided to give us the holiday as a present so we went ahead so went online and booked it." Anyway I lost my shit. No way was I going away with her, don't get me wrong she is usually fine compared to MILs on here, but I don't want a third wheel. DF and I argue, I'm ungrateful, we need to support MIal who divorced last year and is depressed blah blah blah. I finally cave... Because free holiday.

Fast forward, we're here now.

I'm. In. HELL. First of all she booked a suite - we are SHARING A SUITE WITH HER. I want to be able to walk around nude. I wanted to be able to sunbath topless in our private pool. I wanted to be able to have sex whenever I damn well wanted. Well no not now. DF knew my head nearly exploded when we checked in and I realised we were all in together.

She won't leave us alone! She won't let us sleep in - apparently that's LAZY. Don't call me lazy bitch I get up at 5.00am every day when I'm home. She makes us do all the activities - I don't wanna do yoga or play chess fuck off. She makes us have every meal with her. She won't even let us nap durin the day because "why waste such glorious sunshine." I WANT TO NAP! I'm four days in and I'm done with this bullshit. I told DF I needed some time alone because I was about to punch her so I rang and booked myself in at the spa. She was excited because that meant alone time for her and DF! wtf?

Anyway I got back from the spa and said I want to have dinner alone with him tonight and actually enjoy some time together. He told her and she threw a fricken tantrum! Said we were abandoning her! I walked out to the little private pool we have and DF stayed inside to console her. He came out and tried to "reason" with me. I said it was her or me because I didn't come here to baby sit a fricken retiree. He chose her. He went back inside.

So now I'm at the bar, this drink in the pic? Yeah that's tequila. The barman gave me this turtle, I've named him Dereck. So Do I go home? It's super late and he has been FB messaging me asking me to come back and talk. I think he is freaking out - but obviously not enough to come and FIND ME given I haven't left the resort. Do I apologise and suck it up? Do I go get my own room? I'm honestly leaning towards my own room but I have to go back and get my stuff to do that.

Sorry this feels like a vent. I feel like this was a big cross roads in our relationship and he chose the wrong road.

Manipulative sister in law

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Hello everyone,

Im currently in a relationship with my bf. Im 29 hes 31, curently 21 weeks preggers with a boy. My bf left me at 4 1/2 months and moved back with in laws-his mom & sister. He claims i need therapy cuz im "crazy" but im not in knocked up and hormonal. Anyway, I would love & very much appreciate advice and guidance in this situation. Which is basically this:

My bf that i love dearly, makes plans and spends and awful lot amount of time with my SIL. They go out to eat together, run errands, take trips, HAVE THE SAME group of friends, & go over bills & items on what to buy. SIL has 2 girls ages 7 & 9 who look to my bf as if he were their dad, he constantly goes to their school for open house, plays, and everything else in betwen.

Dont get me wrong, it shows he would be a great dad. However, i feel as though i dont have a proper respected place in his family . My bf has 2 older brothers & they live seperately with their spouses and children. I also feel like im not a priority to my bf. When ever we go out 80% of the time its with SIL & her kids & plans thay she made.

My intuition tells me she has faked being nice to me because she sees me as a threat because im pregnant with her brothers son & she wont be able to spend alot of time with her. I also feel it in my heart that she manipulates my bf against me & convinces him to not move back in with me.

Its weird, their relationship, as if they were the married couple and i know she wouldnt care for my baby when he arrives.

He comes by my place every so once in a while, sleeps with me & goes on his merry way. Usually to meet with his sister or friends...again who are also his sisters friends; and he doesn't make plans to see me outside my bedroom, i feel used and alone in this pregnancy with no support, emotionally or financially while he goes out ALL the time. He tells her everything. He's even startef to tell his friends we are having issues and hung out with a woman i dont feel comfortable having around him, they talk about personal things so they are close and have kissed in the past before i came along.

I fear of loosing my beloved :'(

He and i are going to go to couples theraphy next week. He tells me he loves me & will always be there for the baby but is not sure if he will stay with me. I believe he's being manipulated by my SIL maybe even MIL through the sister.i think he has commitment issues, which is funny because he said to me he wanted more than jusy a relationship he wants a partnership. What can i do??

Advice?

Thank you

MIL slipping into old ways

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Background: my MIL and I get along great after a very rocky start with my DD5. MIL used to cry when she was an infant and say she wasn't eating enough and we weren't feeding her enough (she was and still is a healthy little girl) this went as far as us taking her to a ped. appointment so the doctor could explain that my DD was perfectly on par for her age/height/weight.

I wrote MIL a letter letting her know how her behaviour is affecting me and my DH and will eventually affect her relationship with DD and that is something I absolutely did not want to happen!

Fastforward three years later DD2 is born she's a fat baby right off the bat we have NO issues, everything is great between all of us.

Fast forward again 2 years we are expecting out third baby on Friday MIL is subtly (not so subtly) criticizing my parenting, bringing up stuff about DD5 from the past and slowly not respecting my wishes.

She showed up at my kids gymnastics class unannounced after I told her I was too tired to visit her after and tried to bribe my kids to stay with her by buying them toys. Without passing it by me first.


DH is all too ready to cut her off, I do not want this at all I love her but I can't go through what she put me through again.


What do I do??

How often do you see grandparents who live out of state?

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My dad is giving me a really hard time about not seeing my kids enough. They live a short direct flight away (about an hour and a half). I realize average is different for different people depending on their relationships, but I'm just curious. I'd like to include times you visit anywhere (your house, their house, somewhere else on vacation).

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Sister coming to visit CO mom. Asked to see kids. Her response in comments. Noms too.

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My sister just sent me a message that she will be flying out to visit my CO ED for a week and asked if she could come by to see the kids. She was a FM at one point because she is the GC but she hasn't tried again since I told her to knock it off. I don't know what to do. You ladies are omniscient so help, please.

Update. All screenshots in order on page 3 I think. I'm glad I listened to my instincts.

Check my broken normal meter? UD: 2,3:WTF Gift Appearance, 8: Email from MOO, 14, 18: New email

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Hi all,


I've been lurking for a while and I've come to a point where I need some advice where it comes to my ILs. First a little bit of BG:


My normal meter is kind of wonky. I have an anxiety condition that makes me tend to jump to worst case scenario on everything which is a good chunk of the issue. It also acts up when people are in my home who I don't like, or when people get in my personal space. Also, my life growing up wasn't ideal. My mother is a bit emotionally detached. I never felt bonded to her. I did with my father, and I spent every weekend at my grandmother's house and bonded with her as my mother figure. As an adult now I see how odd this is, and I don't want that for my DS (3 months old at this point). Part of the reason I spent every weekend there was my brother is autistic, but we didn't know that. Because he received no therapy or intervention my parents had to spend all of their energy on him which lead to me feeling like he was the GC, and I felt unwanted. My mother and I have a history of large blow ups and TOs, but for the last 5 years or so we have been on much better terms now that I'm out on my own, and we are better able to enjoy the times we spend together and then split to our respective nuclear families and not drive each other up a wall. This is weird to DH (technically common law husband) but it works for us. 


DH's BG is a little different. He was raised in a household where almost anything was forgiven and rug swept because faaaaamilyyyyy. Both of his sets of grandparents had histories of emotional abuse to his parents but were let around the kids because family, and "the kids deserved grandparents". DH assures me no abuse ever happened to himself or his siblings (BIL & SIL), and that FIL never let them be alone with his father because he was "unsafe". When both of his grandmothers ended up widowed the family built IL suites on the house and the grandmothers moved in, even though the ILs didn't like the idea, but again, faaaaamilyyyyy. MIL apparently has always been the ultimate rug sweeper, except in one case. There was an incident of prolonged infidelity that she has never forgiven FIL for, and continually rubs it in his face. FIL is a huge enabler and will probably never leave MIL even with this because he thinks of it as his punishment. 


In the last few years MIL has been getting increasingly worse in what I view as emotional abuse and manipulation. Apparently it's exactly how her mother was, and it is suspected she inherited her mother's bipolar. She received some sort of diagnoses a few years ago when she was forced into therapy because she threatened suicide and ended up in the hospital. The ILs keep the diagnosis secret but for a short time she was medicated and it was heavenly but of course she decided she didn't need them anymore and stopped them and has only escalated since. I'm at a point where MIL is my BEC because she's so manipulative that I dislike having her around even on her good days. BIL has almost completely CO the ILs, with very LC, which hurt MIL a lot because he was the GC growing up. SIL doesn't want much to do with their drama either, and tends to avoid them. This leaves my DH as the one she leans on heavily and he's the new GC since we had DS (first grandchild). MIL and FIL constantly fight and she calls DH every time to complain about FIL to him which I find completely inappropriate. DH does too but won't say anything to her because he was raised that no matter how bad it gets, she's family. She stresses him out most days and I've pretty much just come to a point where I don't deal with her because of her history of disrespect to me. Examples of this include her insistence on trying to hug me every time she sees me, even though DH told her not to because I don't like it (she told him right to his face she won't stop because she will make me love her because I'm now family...great. DH told her all she's doing is ensuring I dislike her more). Almost every time they visit she shows up with some decoration or piece of furniture she's decided we need even if we've asked her not to (she bought a dresser for DS's nursery after we told her not to). If I tell her that I wanted to buy my own item she bought us or that we don't need it she gets all weepy about how she was only trying to heeeelp and if no one wants her help why is she even alive. No one stands up to that because "she's too fragile" but IMO it's manipulation. She knows no one will call her on her suicide talk because they all feel guilty. 


She's stepped it up some, starting with the pregnancy. DH has been very good at shutting her down on most things thankfully but it doesn't seem to matter. She got very upset that I wouldn't allow her in the delivery room. DH explained we were only having the two of us, neither mother was invited and she tried to guilt him with talk about how it's his baby too and he could just put his foot down and invite her in, but he told her no way was he disrespecting me like that. We didn't find out the sex before birth either, and she threw fits about how the baby was definitely a boy because she prayed for a grandson and God wouldn't forsake her by giving me a daughter. When people would try to gently suggest the baby could be a girl she would throw temper tantrums. Before DS was ever born she started dropping not so subtle hints about sleepovers, and I've told her every single time that he won't be going for overnights for a very long time (possibly never with her because I don't trust her) and to stop asking. DH has also told her this but she will not drop it. She feels like because she didn't get any sleepovers when he was a newborn she didn't get to bond with him (HELLO, he was bonding with US like he's supposed to!) and it's "not fair". She gets really pissy when she comes over too because I babywear and will only let her hold him for limited amounts of time because he'll start to fuss and I take him back. I'm also breastfeeding and when he wants to eat I leave the room because in the beginning she would try to kiss his head while he nursed (and we were having trouble latching so she was basically nose to nipple, shudder) so I refuse to feed him around her now. That offends her too because I'm "taking away from her visiting time" by hiding away, but I refuse to put her feelings ahead of DS's needs and DH backs me up on all of this. The ILs have never been alone with DS and won't until at the very least he's old enough to speak for himself and tell me anything that happens, if ever. 


I apologise for the rambling, but I guess what I'm asking is for assurance that I'm not just overreacting because of a broken normal meter right? MIL always rug sweeps and insists that because my family was so cold as a kid that I just don't know what a "real family" is like and that she's just trying to loooove me and make me feel like faaaamilllyyyy. DH agrees that she's being rude and pushy, but can't kill the unicorn because of his BG. I'm glad he shuts her down on mostly everything that she does that triggers me, but he often feels like I'm being a bit overly sensitive because of my anxiety. I feel like yes my anxiety plays into this, but the bigger issue is she's a boundary stomper. Am I right or just being picky? Thanks everyone. 

What do you make of this?

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Background : Over the past few years I've mostly lurked here. Figured out my mom is a big narc. My father passed away last year and it's really increases her narc tendencies. We have a very superficial relationship as I've finally realized I will never be able to really talk to her or have a normal mother daughter connection with her.


I came home and checked my mailbox today. She put an envelope inside. Not unusual as she's always dropping off coupons, magazines, etc. That she doesn't want. Inside is a small article she cut from a newspaper about a warning to Americans who are traveling to Europe this summer. Europe is under a high terror alert. More background : DH and I are traveling to Europe next month, sans kids. Kids are staying with his parents. We are attending a wedding. Mom was also invited to this wedding but is not going as " she has nobody to travel with and doesn't want to be our third wheel. " When I told her we purchased our plane tickets, the first words out of her mouth were "So I'm going to be all alone here?!" Again, a total narc reaction, in my opinion.


I think I will blackhole the article and not mention it to her. But what should have say if she brings it up? I'm honestly really irritated about it. I'm an adult and I'm aware of terrorism problems in Europe. I don't need her to educate me about it. I'm also a nervous wreck about flying and I don't appreciate her making my anxiety worse. (She doesn't know I'm so anxious about it since she never asks about me and I 've learned not to share my feelings with her.) So please help me with a good response because I know she's going to ask. Thank you!

Is there anything I can do?

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I'm so tired of people calling my baby theirs (not really "my baby", more like "grandma's baby/aunt's baby").


This is more about my great aunt in law. She saw my 5 month old LO once in the hospital (I don't even know why since no one invited her or her other 3 sisters that came along with her) this was also when I first met her, so we have no contact at all! She always says those kind of things on my baby pictures, I don't have her on Facebook but MIL does (MIL also does this and she saw my baby maybe five times?). I don't mind when people that actually see and care for LO say those things. Can I say something or should I just ignore?

Cutting Out

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For those who have cut out a family member, what finally pushed you to do it, especially if you were guilted by other family members about the choice? I am still really struggling with this with my father. I know he is toxic and unstable, but I keep hearing from my mother sister, well he is your dad, and he has tried. . .

Guide me in CO, please! Long with tl;dr.

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I need someone to walk me through on how to execute a cut off. My parents have a long history of narc behavior, and were quite abusive to my younger sister and I growing up. Youngest was consistently GC.


Establishing boundaries and consequences over the years paired with distance seemed to build a tentative superficial relationship. My sisters are significantly younger than me, so I first stayed in contact to protect them as much as I could.


My younger sister aged out, and has her own place and is in school. The youngest has 3 years left. I had a baby a little over a year ago. It seemed as though they could be good grandparents within reason. They saw him when he was born for a couple of days and when he was 5.5 months old for a couple of days since my DH and I live 8 hours away.


My LO was a terrible traveler so we didn't try to make it back to my home state for a visit and they canceled last minute on coming for his 1st birthday party. My grandmother's alzheimers is worsening so when the opportunity arose to do a 5 day visit, I jumped at the chance. I had some reservations since my DH had to work and I'd have no vehicle, but I figured their desperation to see us would outweigh the crazy.


I was wrong. We had 3.5 days together before they blew up when I asked them not to make rude comments about my DH (indirectly, PA). It was just like when I was growing up. Dad screaming nasty things, like that I am a demon from hell who ruined their lives from the moment I was born, that I can't leave unless I pay them back for everything (ironic since they financially abused me and took out at least 13k in unpaid loans and unknown cc over my childhood), and that he doesn't want to see my trashy family (major irony there) among many other things. Mom charging at me with the face she always got when she was going to get physical.


Difference being I am now a mother holding a terrified young toddler. I tried to get them to calm down, but they only know how to escalate. When dad realized I was trying to call for a police escort, he told me he'd call the cops on me and lie so I'd be in jail and they would have LO.


That is when I told them they were done and would never see any of us again. Mom lost her shit in a pretty scary way, but would flip between an evil voice and fake poor-me sobs. When the cops arrived, it was raining and I was in the car to avoid them. The cops were awful to me and spoke almost exclusively to my parents, told me that my parents who were in full charm mode were reasonable people and their story made sense, and that since my sister wasn't there yet, and I didn't have a car they couldn't help us. That told me that I was the only one upset, so they had to go off what they see.


It was awful. My sister and her BF came and got us, and my husband and FIL made the long drive to get us from their place that same night. I hate that my sister, the youngest, will be collateral damage, but I cannot put my child or myself through this. She also has my younger sister and her BF close by.


TL;DR


Psycho narc parents went nuts during a slightly longer visit after years of toeing the line. Threatened to take my son if I called for an escort via a false policereport, were crowding us physically and screaming insults, and wouldn't let us leave. They charmed the cops I called, but we got out via one of my sisters and her BF and were picked up a few hours later by DH and FIL. We are done with them and need advice on how to do a cut off. We live in a parent friendly state (TN), so not too concerned about that, and while they are vindicative they also are big bluffers. I just want to be finally done with them.

My mother moved next door to me, and let's just say it's not fun. Cross posted.

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I didn't want to post to DWIL initially, because I thought I couldn't handle the tough approach.  After cross posting and getting some very good advice from a couple people in my birth board, I realize straight up is exactly how I need to hear advice.  Thanks for reading.


My mom has a definite case of NPD.  She had a really rough childhood--raised strict catholic, the youngest of 9 siblings, and unfortunately she was the one who discovered her mother's body after she'd committed suicide.  She was only 13.  After that, she was raised by her older siblings and developed a raging case of alcoholism, which she's still very much in the grip of.  She's mostly functioning, but she drinks herself to sleep every night.


Here's the problem.  My stepdad died in February.  She was extremely codependent, and has not worked in at least 15 years.  In the last two years, he paid for her to reinstate her license and bought her a car.  She lost her license due to a DUI when I was a small child.  She has, of course, taken his death very hard because she hasn't had to take care of herself for close to 20 years.  He did almost everything for her.  She'd clean the house sometimes, and go grocery shopping periodically, but that's it.  They had an extremely volatile relationship to the point that she persistently wished him dead.  Yeah...  She was always the victim but I know my mom well enough to recognize she was pretty horrible to him, too. 


The night he went into cardiac arrest, she sent me the last picture he took of himself alive and conscious, and said some horrible things about his appearance and how much she detested him, wished he died, etc.  I don't know why, but I stopped her from talking poorly about him as it made me extremely uncomfortable.  I never joined in her bashing (because I really loved my stepdad and he loved my kids--which I loved him for) but I don't think I've ever actually stopped her before. He died after a week in a coma.


That's the backstory.  On to the present. 


Since she had nothing where she lived (several states away) she claimed to want to move to my state because all of my siblings live here.  So after three months of her getting her affairs in order there, I took my two month old baby, flew down, and drove her back up in a Uhaul while towing her car (she isn't a confident driver and my sisters work full time, whereas I am a SAHM--I do have three other children, however, and my spouse had to take two unpaid days off work for this).  She moved into some apartments next to my house. 


She had somehow convinced me that she wanted a relationship with her kids and grandkids, and wanted to spend time with everyone here to 1. make up for lost time (they lived away for close to a decade) and 2. be with her grandchildren.  She has also done nothing but state how lonely she is, how hard it is being alone all the time, and how she will be renewed by the kids' presence in her life. 


Fast forward, about three weeks.  All she ever does is drink and talk about herself.  I don't impose on her, but I will text her to ask how she's doing, and invite her to breakfast or dinner sometimes, especially in the first week as she hadn't gotten her kitchen together.


Today my sister texts me.  Evidently my mother is doing nothing but complaining about how none of her kids want to spend time with her, and she hasn't been able to see her grandkids at all since she's been here.  I don't even know what to say or do about this. 


I know this was long and all over the place, but as a new(ish) mama this is too much for me to handle on my own and I don't trust my judgment with her.  Thanks for reading (if you did).


 


ETA:  TL;DR:  My mom lost her husband, upon whom she was codependent.  I've been there for her every moment for the last three months, often stupidly ignoring my own needs.  She moved to be near us, and is now completely ignoring us while complaining to others that we don't want to see her.  I feel used. 








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Another two situations relevant to the point--


Yesterday I slipped while mopping my floor.  I thought I'd broken my wrist as I fell on it very hard, and it was discolored and swelled very badly.  (Turns out after xrays it is a very bad sprain.)  I called her because I couldn't pick up my two month old.  She came over to bring me bananas.  She did not stay.  After five minutes I saw her leave and she was gone all day. 


I'm having surgery to remove my tonsils in about a week and a half.  I've known about this for several months, and she has stated over and over that she'll be there to help if I go through with the surgery (I was considering not doing it, though I've been very ill and it's necessary, because I'll have a hard time with childcare while I recover).  Now, it's down to the wire, and I am terrified that she will bail on me.  I don't have anyone else, and again, I committed myself to the surgery thinking that she'd be there for me to help (aside from grieving my stepfather, she has nothing else to do as she does not work). 


Horrific boundary stomping going on LIVE in front of me

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Omg DWILers I just have to share this horrible thing going down in front of me as I type! If not for anything, at least for Llama noms!


I'm sitting in the Antenatal waiting area at my hospital waiting to be seen for my 35 weeks checkup. This girl not even older than like 17-18 maybe gets wheeled in, heavily pregnancy in a wheelchair. I think she is on bed rest and shouldn't walk for whatever reason.


She gets wheeled in followed by her WHOLE FAMILY and her partners WHOLE FAMILY there's like 15 people here all fighting to feel the baby kicking around in her belly and loudly talking about what THEY'RE going to name the baby!!! I looked over in disgust at this situation and she gave me a 'kill me' look. Oh my god I feel awful for her! Are they all planning on going into the appointment with her?!?!

The GPR threat taken all the way; CO anniversary special!

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This thread was originally entitled "I sent a boundaries email..." but our life has now moved so far past that, so I've updated it.



We recently celebrated our 1year CO date (or as DH put it: "A year since we declared ourselves toxic free!") and I decided to catch my favourite forum up (we've also had a few PANs asking after us :) ).



I am also choosing to update because there's been a few threads floating around recently with red flags all over the damn place. YOU MUST TAKE GPR THREATS SERIOUSLY. Don't let my life become yours.



Original thread updates are on the following pages: 5, 13, 16, 20, 23, 25, 30, 36, and 45.



For potential HIPPO's - this thread begins from over a year ago. Please check dates before commenting ;)


For potential WikiLawyers - my update does talk about legalities, all of which are being seen to by necessary representatives. I beg you not to get my thread shut down with legal advice - I need DWIL



Newest (long ass) update on page 51!

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As some of you know,my mother is a classic narc and control freak. She also tries to play 3rd parent between me & my DH.


She pushed me over the edge on thursday by telling me that putting my DD (age 3) on the naughty step for bad behaviour "is cruel and doesn't work". She wants to talk about cruel? Does she not remember half of my childhood?


She said I've been distant lately, which means she has lost time with HER grandchild,which makes me spiteful. Then hung up.


Anyway,I vented to my husband,and he said "confront her on it". I clammed up immediately. He said I've had 25 years worth of conditioning from her,and I need to start undoing it.


I wrote out the email,he approved it (he's a fellow DWILer,and has a fantastic way with words. Yes I'm biased,I don't care),and I sent it. Now I feel like I'm going to throw up. As soon as I hit send,my heart rate went through the roof because *gasp!* I'm rebelling!


Here is the email I've just sent:


"Mum,


There is NO SUCH THING as a parent being "spiteful" with their own child,and I resent the accusation. I cannot hog my own child.


I didn't carry and give birth to my daughter so she could be handed over to other people when it suits THEM.


I've been pondering your relationship with my family for a while now; your behaviour over the phone on thursday confirmed it for me.


Clearly you don't agree with our parenting choices (e.g Time Outs, stopping sleepovers etc). That's fine - the opinions of those outside of our nuclear family mean very little frankly! But you ARE expected to respect our choices.


Telling us "We can't make you discipline our child a certain way", telling me to "Let you spoil her", telling us "You NEED to see her because you love her as much as we do" blah blah blah - isn't going to fly anymore. We're sick of it. You are not a parent,you are a grandparent. And you are overstepping boundaries,which is causing resentment to fester.


While we're on the subject of respect - When was the last time you interrogated (her bff's name) on why her plans have suddenly changed? Or (her favourite cousin & her DH) on the way they are raising their little ones? What about the last time you reminded (her boss) to thank someone for something? Or (neighbour)?

My guess would be never.

That's because you view them as you should - parents,adults and peers. And it is NOT YOUR PLACE to quiz them on those things.


So why is it acceptable to treat us like that?

Newsflash - its not. Not anymore. And it stops now.


We are not going to push any schedule on your terms just because you're impatient. YOU need to fit around the quality time,the last minute plans,the long term plans and the schedule of OUR family. Everybody else does,and they manage to do it without questioning us.


Mum your relationship with DD is not that of a regular Grandma. We shouldn't have allowed this to get to this point. We strongly believe her behavioural issues of late were caused by inconsistencies in who exactly are the authority figures in her life. We take full responsibility for that.


We want you to be a very loved and appreciated grandmother to our daughter. Respecting us as parents is the only way to accomplish that.

Guilt trips or anger towards us when we say no won't be appreciated and will not tolerated.


So - clean slate with clear rules:


• Any offers to do anything/give anything to DD without talking to us first will be an automatic NO.


• Super special events like holidays and breaks are for the nuclear family. That is our job. They also need to be age appropriate - No three year old needs to go over 100 miles away from her parents for a week. They aren't necessary, they screw with her routine,and we are miserable until she's back safe with us. We were wrong to let that happen. Trips to London are on hold for the foreseeable future.


• When we set boundaries or discipline DD,a respectful grandparent will not get involved. This means absolutely no disagreeing with our parenting. Especially in front of her.


• No answering questions / taking requests on our behalf. That applies to A) DD; if she's asks for something outside of the power we give you,advise her to talk to us,and B) Other people; If (pushy aunt) wants to invite our child somewhere,she needs to ask US. If (my BEC aunt) wants paintings or updates,she needs to ask US.


• Calm down with the phone calls. I MISS missing you (I hope that makes sense). I used to get a nice feeling of "Ah,lovely! A chat of nonsense! Just what I fancy..." when your name came up on my phone. Now I tend to roll my eyes - because you're calling multiple times a week,and sometimes a day! I have my own life! A couple of times a week really is enough mum. This current contact isn't healthy.


I know this is probably a lot to swallow,and has seemingly come out of nowhere. I'm sorry for that. But this has been discussed for WEEKS between me & DH,and I REFUSE to cut you out of my life because I just didn't want to just tell the truth or hurt your feelings. Lily adores you,and grandparents are important.


Let's get things to the way they should be. But our boundaries are non-negotiable,and are not up for discussion.


You need to shift your view of us,so we can all have healthy relationships. Or,you can push against us and make things worse. Your choice.xx"


She replied almost immediately:


"I was looking so very much forward to seeing her, that's all. But have it your way. She is a normal 3yr old, I have done nothing to change her behaviour, nursery probably has,as it does with most children. I'm not just any old grandparent,who pops in when the mood takes me,I have been a massive part of her life since birth, especially with your illness *(this is a reference to my PND,which I would bet every penny I have on HER INTERFERENCE being what caused it because she had me constantly second guessing myself)*. It's very unfair to just try to cut me out of her life. Mum."


Soooo....


Reply?

BH?

Accept as her stepping aside?

Punch a pillow?


I do believe she's trainable. I've just never laid it all out like that before. Something in me just snapped :(


Also,and feedback on my original email would be great!

On the moderation of slurs, derogatory language, and armchair mental health diagnoses

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So, I've been on this board since 2014, so, not as long as some but certainly not new.



I've read the sticky, made a few posts of my own and wasn't wearing my big girl pants, but I learned a lot after some extensive lurking.




There are a few things that I'd like to question, though, and if this isn't the place, then Queens, I apologize in advance.



I've noticed that there is a lot of moderation/censorship surrounding ableist slurs, some that people don't even realize are slurs. Which, I totally get. The more you know, all that.



However, I find it a bit...not hypocritical necessarily but lacking in moderation that I would think would be there around sexist slurs, mental health slurs (we certainly like to call people crazy, here!), and throwing mental health diagnoses around like its confetti.



For example, I've seen the word bitch and cunt thrown around, in fact, it's oft touted advice to "be the bigger bitch!" I mean, I'm not opposed to using those words. I use them liberally, in fact but I just feel like if the moderation on ableist and racial slurs is so strict, why isn't it just as strict with sexist slurs?



And then there's the "she totally sounds like a narc!" Or "maybe she has BPD, that kind of BSC can't be cured!" or "she's not sensitive, she's manipulative and craaaaaaazy!"




I guess what I'm getting at is that "crazy" and "bitch" are slurs, too, and while speculating the prospect of specific mental illnesses in a person isn't a slur, it can be incredibly insulting to people who do have those mental illnesses. Not everyone with borderline personality disorder is a manipulative jerk who just wants to watch the world burn. Not everyone who has diagnosed mental illnesses with bad stigmas are funfetti level whimsical who are unfit to be around children. A lot of people who are posted about are certainly dangerous and unsafe, for sure. But the way I see mental illness talked about is a bit disheartening.



I just feel that the that moderation of slurs is a bit unfair. And maybe that's because life isn't fair. I understand that the world can't be full of politically correct ass kissing and trigger warnings but I just think you should apply an even hand when moderating these things.




Again, sorry, Queens, if this isn't the right way to bring this up. I'm not trying to stir the pot or be a whiny baby or anything like that.
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