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The Best of 2013

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Some of my favorites include:


Punkle
Punkle2 


Vegetable Voodoo


Deployment Drama1
Deployment Drama2


Transitions and the WankyBlanky


Naked workouts


Rockstar MrsPuckett1  
Mrs Puckett2 


Granny Warrant.


Chalkies Zoo Incident 


gif meme epicness 


The DWIL Oath


HIPPA Granny 


12345incgnito Rockstar! 


Ramp of Resentment


Wedding Dressgate
Dressgate part 2 


Lemonface's circumcision Pusher 
Circ Pusher part 2  


MIL wants to sleep with baby 


Semi-live lawn tantrum


Ispep


Ladybaka


Cncsmama


Littlebit1012 


Lovesf 
Part 2 MIL on the loose.  


 


 


Mentions that were older but updated in 2013
TinyRedbird 


I was wrong about Ron Burgandy. 


 


 


Greatness here:


Okay, so the 7 signs of the DWIL apocalypse (by Cece3):


1.  Nice messages (i.e. hoovering)


2.  Angry messages


3.  FMs


4.  Unannounced visits


5.  CPS WellCare checks


6.  Accusations of PPD/other mental illness 


7.  Fake illness/hospitalization


Pre-apocalypse (BSC shows nuclear capabilities):


1.  Lawn Tantrum


2.  GP rights


Apocalypse (BSC goes full nuclear):


1.  "Unintentional" harm to poster/family


 


 


The Best ofs:


GPs Feeding


Entitlement


Family Childcare **TRIGGERS**


Racist FIL Hates Lincoln  
Unicorn threat Part 2 


Cornucopia of BEC


Facebook aka the Debil


Passive-Agressive Gifts 


WTF Moments


Its a Trap CTJ Talks


Baby Rabies


BSC Holidays


Holidays and Babies


Strange Recipes  


Strings Attached


 


Questionable/Locked Threads on here for entertainment and nothing more:


Open Door Angela 


CA/NY Meddling 
CA/NYPart2 


Babymoon ringthing
Babymoon ringthing1
 Babymoonring thing2
 
  Part 3? 
Who knows
More
 


Okay add on.


 


Quick question about TO and FM

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DH will be putting SIL in a TO after Christmas.  He wants to know how to do a TO with her, but still be able to communicate with his brother.  She's usually the communicator in their family, ie a text: "Do you have ____ tool that your brother can borrow to fix ____?" 
He plans to BH all of her texts/debil messages/calls/etc, but if his brother were to finally pick up the phone himself and ask DH for ____ tool, and then throw in a "Are you not getting SIL's messages?"  He wants to know what to say to his brother. 

Guy at work trying to get in shape to dance(strip) again

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Wondering what compelled him to tell me why he was trying to get back into shape and how he made money to pay for his college.


I was not sure how to respond to him. We go to the same gym too


Also, I am having a very boring day and it is passing so slowly.

You guys will love this mil Xmas drama! UPDATE , attached message sent to mil

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I have not posted here in a while, but some back story is my in laws had issues with my birth plan and wanted time with lo before letting people into the room, stuff like that. Then a nasty fight, name calling and disrespect from them.

We put it aside and I am not holding a grudge, we see them once a month because we think that's fare. Now the Xmas drama.. We had plans with them for Xmas eve, but my husband works that day so we wouldn't get to them till late and our son is only 8 months old so he would be crabby. I texted mil to ask if she would rather do the weekend before Xmas so we had more time together. Me being the nice one and offering. She then asked what we were doing on Xmas day and I told her we were staying at home and enjoying our first Christmas as a family, not too unreasonable right? She never responded, then called my husband crying saying she wanted to see us on Christmas and the weekend before wasn't good enough. Before he got a chance to tell me this I had texted her asking her to let me know which day she chooses. She then texts me saying she feels like she is loosing her son, and how she wants to see us Xmas and we are selfish. She says her grandson is her "life" and she's so upset and now we are most likely not even seeing them at all because she isn't getting what she wants. Thank god my husband is on my side. And quite frankly I don't care one bit if we don't see them!

*Tiny UD on pg 6.* ILs trying to change LO's first birthday plans.

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I've posted here before quite a while ago, but none of my previous posts have relevant BG. 


This situation is mostly handled, I just want to get you ladies' take on it.


My IL's are mostly ok, they're a little annoying and notoriously flaky. We have completely opposite beliefs on a lot of things, but we just try not to bring those things up and we don't see them often anyway. MIL is constantly making plans just to cancel at the last minute for some ridiculous reason. I noticed this shortly after we got married and stopped letting it hurt my feelings. I've learned not to expect much from them and it usually turns out ok.


One example of this behavior that really stands out to me is my baby shower. I wasn't really all that interested in having one because I don't have many people to invite and I don't like basically asking for gifts like that. My mom and MIL were both pushing to have a shower so they could play GOTY and stupidly I agreed, but I decided if I was going to have to sit through a shower it was only going to be one time. MIL protested a few times and said she wanted to throw a separate shower for just their family and friends, I said no each time. She agreed to help my mom with a shower. MIL knew the date, time, and location weeks in advance, she had talked to my mom a few times and agreed to bring some things, etc. She cancelled the morning of the shower, like two hours before she was supposed to be there. My feelings were hurt, my mom apologized that we would be short a few things, blah blah blah. Whatever. That was the day I decided to drop the rope with her. There have been several smaller but similar incidents before and after.


The current issue is about my DD's first birthday. Her actual birthday is tomorrow, her party is this Sunday. We're having it at my dad's house because he's great and we live in a tiny apartment so our place definitely couldn't handle more than 4-5 people. She's our first child, so I've been really into planning. Seriously, I've been thinking about this thing for months now.


I told MIL the date and location of this party in early October just to make sure she didn't have any excuses. MIL makes a huge deal about how much she LOOOOOVVVVEESSS her grandbaby, and she said they would definitely be there. We asked a week or so after we sent out paper invites if she had gotten hers. "Oh yes, we will be there, we're so excited," etc. Last time we saw them a couple weeks ago I confirmed again that they were coming. I wanted it to be absolutely set in stone that if she didn't come to this fucking party it was her own fault.


She text DH a few days ago asking if we would mind doing another party at their house so her mother could come. Her mother is invited to the original party but can't drive that far due to health issues (she lives an hour away from MIL, MIL lives another hour from party location). I have a sneaking suspicion that more of MILs random friends would be there so she could show off her graaaandbaby. DH asked me what I wanted to say, I told him we're having one party. No exceptions. This is my first child's first birthday and no one is taking it from me. He tells MIL that we're only doing one party and I'd worked really hard on it and it meant a lot to me. She says ok, she understands.


WELL. Today we get a text from FIL asking if we want to meet them out for dinner on Thursday. DH calls me to ask about it, I say it sounds suspicious as fuck. They rarely call us to make plans, and NEVER twice in a few days. I knew something was up and I expressed that to him. I told him that if they're planning a party they can fucking shove it, if they just want to do dinner then that would be fine.


After he texts back that yes, we would be available for dinner, he gets this (I'm assuming this is MIL on FIL's phone):


"Can we do a little cake for DD? Dad really wants to go hunting this weekend and this way both GFIL and Dad will be there to see her. Dad says, please!"


DH responds "Corrin really wants to do just the one party. She's put in a lot of time setting up and making decorations and things. It's on Sunday so that only really costs them one hunt, Sunday evening which they used to skip often anyway."


We get back "OK. I will make sure we are all there."


Since they responded decently DH just wants to drop it. I, however, am seething. The incident by itself wouldn't bother me this much, but it's a pattern of behavior and this is the second time they've asked about this particular thing! I feel like MIL doesn't at all respect what I want and the time and money and effort I've put into this. I feel like she's just telling me "my time and wants are more important than yours and I'm just going to keep needling until I get my way." No. And I also noticed that she's only texting DH about this because she knows I'd say no. She's a little scared of me since I stood up to her once when I was pregnant and we put her in TO. She's been nothing but perfectly nice (almost TOO nice) to me since so I know she would never pull this with me directly.


I think we should address this head on and tell them it's disrespectful to always be trying to change plans on us and we're not doing it. In the future, if events we invite them to are so inconvenient they can just not come. We're not always going to do some alternate thing that MIL plans. I'm not sure if we're still doing something with them on Thursday, my guess is no since they aren't getting what they wanted out of dinner. If we did go, we would turn around and leave at the first sign of cake but I really doubt that we'll bother going at all.


DH doesn't want to rock the boat since the situation is pretty much over. I just see this happening again with other things, and even though I shut it down every time it just pisses me off. I don't want them even asking anymore.


So, DWIL, should we send a cordial but firm message about this behavior or should we just let it go and confront it each individual time?

My MIL is teaching my 15 month old to call her Mama. What do I do?

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I am in a predicament and i am stumped on how to handle it. I am Anglo and my husband is Hispanic. I have a beautiful 15 month old little boy that my husband and I adore. Unfortunately, my MIL is overly possessive with the baby and has been from the beginning. It seems to get worse as time goes by. I work full time and he goes to a babysitter most days and my MIL babysits him a couple of days a week. i work full time and and am doing my best to be a good momma, as well as a provider, a housekeeper, and a wife. For the last 4 months my LO has been calling her "Mama" and at first I figured he was just saying that because it was one of the only few words he knew. Now everytime he sees her he screams "'momma, momma, momma" to her and grabs for her. When I pick him up after work, he kicks and screams when I try to hold him because he doesn't want to leave her arms, crying "mama" the whole time looking at her. It rips my heart out! I sensed something wasn't right initially and felt that she had something to do with it, but blew it off as me being emotional. This past weekend she came over and I left the room that we were in and before I re-entered I heard her saying "mama" to him repeatedly. When I walked back in she said "mama... Oh, I mean Grandma, Grandma". I didn't know what to say! My hunch was right and I had heard it with my own ears! I am beside myself and I do not know what to do! The last thing I want are issues with her. I want him to have a close relationship with all of his grandparents, but I feel like she is competing with me for the role. There are many other things that she has done to prove this but I would be writing for hours to explain... What do I do? I am not a jealous person and most consider me secure. Am I overreacting? This just happened last night and I am an emotional mess.

New Here! Unfortunately very frustrated w/ILs

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Hi everyone Smile Im so glad i found this group! Here is my problem.. FIL never liked me from day one, MIL was never too excited about me joining the family either. They have 6 kids 5 of which are all younger than 15 yrs. old and they (i dont like to judge but..) are such bad parents. ex: they go partying about 3 times/week and leave the kids home alone w/ gma who is handicapped, sleep all day, FIL barely works (they have gov. assistance), they very rarely take their kids out to have fun/play. DH knows his parents are skum but stills obviously loves them. DH feels bad for all his little sibilings (as do i) so CO is not an option. Our current problem is that FIL bought himself $300 shoes but has yet to finish xmas shopping for his kids.. and they are not financially well off. DH was pissed all day bc FIL has always had better clothes/shoes than his children. DH recently lost his job and we are very fight on $ and we only got them small presents. i really wish i could say something to cheer DH up. Should i cut back on buying expensive gifts for kids/family to get DHs sibs. something nicer? DH has confronted his parents many times about this crap but they dont seem to care/change. What would you do?

That one annoying thing...

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My IL's have lots of serious issues, but I get mostly fed up with the little annoying things like these--


MIL is a walking cliché.

"If people are having trouble getting pregnant, they should just adopt! Everyone I know that thought they couldn't have kids got pregnant right after they adopted a baby!"


"What, you rear ended someone? Well at least you're safe! That's all that matters!"


I don't know if these examples do it justice, but for every annoying situation she something equally annoying to add.


FIL constantly offers people medication. Don't say you have a headache, your stomach hurts or make any health compliant. He will seriously start trying to play doctor. He has handed me handfuls of meds. No idea what they are.


BIL is the ultimate martyr. He will give someone the shirt off his back, then humble brag to everyone he sees about the nice thing he did.


What are your annoying IL stories?

know its not the right group but you girl answer (new years day baby)

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So my son was born new years day 01/01/13 and I was wondering if anyone else had a new years baby and what they did?


We decided on no party for it to just be us but i dont know what to do because I feel like what's going to be opened?

Book Suggestions

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Hi all. Well I guess I will be seeing my mother in law for the first time in over 7 months. I'm really not looking forward to it. I have background somewhere on here, but I think it's under a different screen name.


I was wondering if anyone here had some book suggestions on setting boundaries you would recommend? I was thinking it might help both me and my husband. Thanks ladies! Your advice and reassurance has really helped me more than you all know.

We're holding DS hostage

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I have a couple posts about my ILs around. TLDR version, after them pretty much ignoring us the first year of ds' life, we dropped the rope, and refuse to let them look like gpoty when it was obvious they didn't really give a fuck. The are now spouting off to people that we are holding DS hostage from them, and I'm pissed the fuck off.


To elaborate more for people that want it, it's been about 8-9 months since I've seen or talked to the il's, dh and DS have seen them once in that time, around July. At that visit, nothing had changed. They brought 2 other kids they were looking after without even mentioning it beforehand, spent most of the time talking to and playing with those two girls, except to make comments like "why is ds'bed still in your room, he needs to sleep in his room". DH shut that down, said our parenting decisions weren't up for discussion, they left shortly after.


We've Bh'd since, including a thanksgiving invitation, a supposed angiogram for fil, and a wreck with a deer for mil (strong suspicions those were tactics to initiate contact). They have now asked to come bring ds Christmas and birthday presents. They originally asked to come last night, and we said no due to plans to go look at Christmas lights. DH agreed to let them come Monday. I will be at work, but I have no problem not being there because dh shuts them down brilliantly. Dh is not really sure why he agreed to it though, and is thinking he will either ask to meet them for lunch and not let them come to our house, or will just cancel.


So back to the title, while discussing their possible visit, dh said he had talked to SIL2 (the only IL we really have much contact with), and she said they have been saying they feel like we are holding DS hostage from them. This pissed me the fuck off. We tried to have a relationship with them, and they only wanted one on fb, and at large gatherings. Dh has been hurt that his role as black sheep/ scapegoat has trickled down as indifference toward ds. DH doesn't drink their kool-aid, and never has, so they just don't really like him much. I'm sure if we followed their beliefs and asked for their advice like SIL1,we'd be treated better, but that's not happening.


Before I heard that comment, I was ok with very lc, once a year type visits. I told DH they are now on a very slippery slope with me, and if I hear one word from them that they have rights, I'm done forever. He agreed, and like I said he may cancel their visit, but I also think he maybe wants to just see if they hang themselves. I'm not sure what type of advice I'm looking for, I think this is heading for a CO anyway. I just needed to get it out I guess.

MIL is out and we have been found! UD pg15, minor UD pg17, big UD pg18, UD 31, UD w/Trigger 37

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OMG, ladies, I am so pissed!  I knew MIL was released quite some time ago (bitch didn't serve her full sentence due to psych evals...Grrrrr), but all was quiet.  I suppose DH and I got too comfortable in this new little life we've built for our family, but it hit the fan last Thursday!
 
I have to admit that there have been several times over the last two months in particular in which I felt like the LOs and I were being watched.  I told DH this at least two times, and he reassured me that things are fine, etc.  Turns out I was right!  MIL, FIL, and family hired a PI to find DH and the littles!  DH received a large manila envelope in the mail on Thursday.  It was weird because it was addressed only to him and came to our home address as opposed to our PO box - we usually only receive junk mail at home.  The package had mostly various photos of me with all three LOs, a couple of DH and LOs, and one of all of us together!  I was instantly on high alert and terrified!  I broke down crying instantly!  Thank God DH was home that day!  Also inside was a letter from bitch AIL, MIL's sister.  I've typed it out here (all misspellings and grammatical errors belong to her):
 
Dear nephew,
 
The reason I am writing to you is because your mom can't or get in trouble with the law.  It seems that your family has expanded sence the last time we all seen you.  Your mom is back at home with your dad where she belongs and shame on you and that bitch you married for making up lies to put her in jail!  Your mom is such a Grand Lady and godly woman that she has beged all the family to help her find you and (DS's name) and for all of us to look passed your mistakes and forgive you.  She knows that your uppity wife and her family are forcing you to say all those things to hurt your reall family.  We know that you would never take those babies away from your mom and dad unless that wife of yours thretened the babies.  If she has, we can help you get them from her.  Just thank about it.
 
Your mom has had a reall experieance while she was away.  She is now closer to god than ever!  She has always been a good Christian woman but now even more because of all she has been thru.  God told her she would find you and those babies and she told all of us so we decided the best thing was to hire someone.  When he heard your moms story about how awfull your wife and her family have been to her and your dad and how she lied to get her put in jail he offered to find you guys for nothing more than gas money.  If that aint god I don't know what is!!  You need to pay attenton to this nephew!!  God has told your mom that it is ordaned for her to be with you and those babies!  If you turn your back on your mom and dad then you will turn away from god!  We don't want this to happen to you!  We all still love you and (DS's name) and we will love those two babies if you would just come on home with them and let us all be the family that god want's us to be!
 
I wish you were here to see what all of this has done to your dad.  He is a broken down man now nephew.  He used to be so happy but now is just a shell of a man because of all the lies that were told about him and his wife and because his wife was taken away from him.  You better go to your prayer closet and pray for god to lead you away from those people in your life who want you to hurt your parents this way!  We know god don't like divorce but we also know that you are supposed to honor your mother and father above all else and you are NOT doing that nephew!  Get your head on straite and be a man and come on home to the ones who really matter and love you no matter what!  If you need help getting those babies we will get the best lawyer and make it where that bitch, her sister and her family can't come around them without being carted off to jail!  Thats something I would LOVE to see!!  Haha!!  You know how to get in touch with me if you want to see your mom and dad.  They miss you something terrible and want to hug you and those pretty babies!
 
With all my love,
AIL
 
Just typing all that out makes my blood boil!  Knowing that that crazy family has photos of my DS and our twins is killing me!  My goal was for them to never lay their evil eyes on my twins!  DH is raging!  His first reaction was to jump in his truck, drive back to our hometown, and let his entire FOO know that he is completely DONE with all of them (he was going to commit a lawn tantrum)!  After calming down and talking, we contacted our attorney.  We have sent a copy of the letter and photos to him, and he will try to make a case for stalking and harrassment so we can get a RO - shouldn't be a problem. 


This is completely ridiculous!  Logically, I know that I just need to live my life and practice situational awareness at all times.  It's so exhausting being "on" all the time!  We were starting to really relax and enjoy our life and our new town.  Why can't they all just drop off the face of the planet?!  Gaaahhhhh!!! 


Also, all the "God" talk terrifies me.  That family is so ass backward!  They used to attend a local church, but for the last couple of years they have attended "church" in each other's homes.  MIL really does believe that God speaks to/through her.  I don't mean to sound insulting, but this woman is nuts and it always seems that "God" is in agreement with and pushes whatever MIL's agenda happens to be.  After the attempted kidnapping of my ODS, I am paranoid about my twins who are only 16 months old!  
 
It doesn't help matters that DH and I are expecting again; I'm 3 1/2 months along and the hormones only serve to jack up my anxiety.  I'm not really sure why I'm posting except that you ladies were so awesome through all my past ordeals and suggested things that DH and I didn't think of.  So, ladies, any suggestions for us besides BH, legal action, and situational awareness?

Am I being selfish?

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. My now husband and I have been best friends since freshmen year of hugh school. When were 19 we finally got it that we had been in love for years and moved in together three months after we started officially dating. His mother was not happy. His family is VERY religious on top of that they are tea party supports. After almost two years my husband asked me to marry him. My in laws couldn't must even a fake smile. She cried and his father rolled his eyes and talked about how much money my husband wasted. Four months later whike planning the wedding we found out we were expecting. His mother once again cried and told my husband she was "heartbroken knowing her unborn grandbaby was already bound for hell."


My husband then told his older brother the news and his brother told him I was trying to trap him. When he reminded him we were already engaged and he watched me take my birth control nightly and we were using condoms! (Kid was magic) His brother then told him the baby must not be his. During my pregnancy he would call our son the bastard. When I finally hit my braking point I pointed out that his first child would also be a bastard since he and his now wife were only hook up buddies they got pregnant. Being Christian s they believe life starts at conception right even though they through a quicky wedding before she gave birth.


My sister in laws (above brothers wife) was even worse. She sent me books in how to be a good wife. And later spread a terrible rumor about me getting an abortion at 19 weeks years before I had my son. My husband grandparents totally believe it too. They have thanked me for not killing anymore babies. The truth is I am a liberal feminists. I do believe in a woman's right to choose, I personally haven't made that choice but don't hate others who do. Part 2 of the truth at 16 ( after having sex one time with my time bf) I got pregnant and LOST the baby at 17 weeks! Two days after learning I was having a little girl. Pain I will carry the rest of my life.


When our son turned 1 we finally got married. The night before our wedding both my sil and bil called my husband telling him to not marry me. Telling him he is breaking the family's hearts by marrying a non Christian whore. When my husband defended me telling hus brother that I am his best friend, mother of his child and future children and told him he needed to apologize to me or not come to the wedding. His brother took that as "your no longer my brother. " He then called everyone in their family and told some crazy story which caused everyine but his partents and younger siblings to protest the wedding.


We haven't spoken to them since. My mil is always trying to guilt my husband into calling or talking to my bil. She constantly talks about how sad it is brothers don't speak "because their wives are being silly"


We have since had a second son and they have had a third child. My husband has 9 year old twin brothers and at their bday in Oct my son sat next to bil's son (my son has no clue who he is) their son pushed my son and yelled at him to go away and get the hell away from him. My son was totally in shock he had no clue why this kid hated him. I wanted to say something to my sil but didn't want to make a scene at a child's bday. But really whi teaches their child to hate another child?


Now two months later at two family events I was unable to attend because I had to stay home with our kids. My bil is talking to my husband like nothing happend like they have been totally ok these last three years. Apparently this summer he is moving out of state due to work.



Here is my question after this long ramble. Am I wrong to be upset that my husband would even fake being friendly to his brother, without him apologizing to me and pretending the last three years didn't happen? The fact that two months ago their kids were told to be mean to our kids?

not sure if i am handeling this right or not.

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I posted this on the june 2014 birth board but I thought i should run it by you.


I am 29, married, 4 months pregnant with my second, and financially independent. My parents are in their mid-late 50’s and are bums. They are financially irresponsible & have an entitled attitude and have been so for as long as I can remember. My sister and I have bailed them out so many times its ridiculous. Well my father’s smart mouth finally cost him his job in August and my mother is just plain lazy and won’t get a job. They moved in to my house and have been enjoying living life free of responsibility while I have struggled financially to provide for 4 adults, 2 dogs and my son.  I finally had enough when a fight with my mom got physical and I told her to leave to her sisters 400 miles away. Now she wants to come back to live with me. I laid out the following stipulations what do you think?


-No more than 3/1/14, they must get jobs and apply for housing/assistance/ect,


-they cannot be in the house during the day M-F. (This was upon the suggestion of my therapist to keep them from getting too comfortable in the house again)


 I should add that the relationship with my mother is highly toxic and is negatively impacting my mental health condition and my pregnancy.


 

"Why does it bother you?"

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That's DH's question to me today. I have BG but am mobile right now, but I'm one of the many posters who was pissed about MIL making Christmas cards with pics of my LO. We never got one of those cards, btw - I'm betting $1,000 that it's because she used a pic I asked her not to and she didn't want me to find out.


Latest development : MIL is taking my pics off my FB and posting them on hers as if she took them, featuring a pic of DH and LO as her profile pic. Immediately, her friends and family post "aww daddy's girl!!" and lots of "ohh look at my baby girl!!" Your baby, really? Barf.


I know the solution to this and will obviously stop MIL's access to my pics. The problem lies (per the usual) in DH and I. He knows these things bother me but he simply cannot fathom why. An example of a typical convo:


Me: I don't like it when your mom does xyz (pics, cards, etc).

DH: why not?

Me: because it's weird and I don't like her taking my pics and portraying them as hers.

DH: I don't get it. She just looooves her graaaaandbaby.


And on and on. Has anyone said anything to their SO that effectively conveyed their discomfort in situations like this? Am I using the wrong words? I'm normally against JADEing, but I really want DH and I to at least reach some level of understanding.


He's on board with some things though - he recently shut down a visit from PILs because they wanted to fly up and visit in the middle of the week. I put my foot down awhile ago that they aren't to visit unless DH takes off from work; I simply refuse to entertain them by myself. He told them he can't take the time off and they canceled their trip.


Sorry for the length and that last side bar. Any advice on communicating to your SO why certain things make you twitch is greatly appreciated!

Irritating cousin -- poll

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Hello!  It's my first post here and I was hoping to get some advice.  I have a cousin who I've seen a total of 10 times during my childhood and I haven't seen him now for about 20+ years.  I was asked to be a godmother over the debil (I guess because we're faaaamily) for his oldest child when I saw him last. And I agreed at that time because in our culture, no one refuses to be a godmother/godfather.  Vomit


Ever since he's found me on the debil, he's been contacting me every Christmas or goddaughter's birthday and sending me PA comments/updates about my goddaughter.  The latest one was from yesterday:  "Hello, it's almost Christmas and your goddaughter is getting big.  She's into barbie dolls this year."  That was it....no, "Merry Christmas to you", or "How are you doing?", no "Thank you" all those times I sent his daughter a present. 


So my dumb ass responds and says "Could you please send me your address and I'll try and see if I can send something to goddaughter?".  He replies back with his address AND BANK ACCOUNT INFO.....WTF!!  really??!!  Who does that??! 


Do I just BH but still send goddaughter a present or send his entitled/ungratel ass an email but still send goddaughter a present or completely BH?  Added a "pole".  Thanks!


 

Mom and Husband Can't Get Along

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Hi, I was hoping for some advice. My mom is mad at my husband for a comment he made to her last night. They have never been fond of each other, but my mom insists this is the last straw. I'm sick of being stuck in the middle of them, and am afraid my 2 year old daughter will start to pick up on the tension. A big part of the problem is that they are both so stubborn! My husband insists he didn't say anything wrong, that he made a joke. But my mother thinks he purposely accused her and insulted her. I don't really agree with either of them, my husband was being rude, even if he did mean it as a joke, and my mom looks for reasons to be upset with him. Now they are both mad at me because I refuse to take either one of their sides and told them I was tired of being stuck in the middle if them. Has anyone gone through a similar situation? How can I convince both of them the importance of getting along for me and my daughters sake? My mom lives right down the road and babysits my daughter 3 days a week while I take classes, on occasion, my husband picks up my daughter, making it impossible to keep them from seeing each other.

Mil finally did it Possible Triggers

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I have CO MIL from my life but DH still hasn't until today. I have never posted before but have lurked using the knowlege form you wise ladies here to reaffirm my decision to CO her.


Background: MIL is wealthy gave each of her sons $20,000 each as a down payment on their homes and during the financial crisis we barely made it, she helped and we appreciated it and paid back when we could we gave them $14,000 after provided with an itemized list of what was owed from the sell of our house, most of which were items given as gifts, but whatever we don't like to owe money.


One thing she did was buy us a car and we would pay her back, great we lived in a rual area where 2 cars were necessarry. Unfortunately, we had absolutely had no choice in car and couldnt afford to buy even a beater on our own.


The car payment was too expensive and we couldn't afford to pay the car payments, the car was taken back just as we were getting back on our feet in Oregon and could make payments (punishment for leaving home state) and SFIL (who actually bought the car) said it would be a wash we would owe nothing (he is nice but definately an enabler). MIL didn't like that and told us to pay the difference, fine we would debt is debt, she sold the car and said we owed them $10,000, difference was actually $4,500 dollars but they said that we owe them another $5,500. Fine we can make payments its not the money its just that its obviously punishment for moving and no longer needing her help therefore her losing control/power.


She has done so many other things such as locking our ODD in a room when she cried until she fell asleep at least once that we know of but I'm sure more since ODD has after CO told me so. (There has been no contact between me and MIL for about 2 years and ODD 7 has recently decided not to talk to her so she is CO from ODD and YDD who is 4 mos). 


She called YDD a mistake that DH would regret."you have the perfect family of 3 why would you ruin it"


She filled out divorce papers and highlighted the spots where my DH needed to sign


There are so many other things just ask if you want more info, I am an open book.


 


So FF to today MIL called DH on his birthday and what started out like a pleasnt conversation turned into MIL saying you ditched your family, we have been nothing but helpful, and you owe us money. DH said we are trying to save to buy a new house and I have already given you $14,000. We can start paying you back after we buy an new house.


MIL said you had a house and you blew it! (We were lucky to sell the house and move since we were barely surviving in old state, there were no jobs and what there were paid minimum wage, the house was bought before the financial crisis when we were doing ok) 


DH said just send us a statment of what exactly is owed and some payment plans.


After more was said on both side this was sent by MIL (when reading this remember we have 2 DD's and not one)


 


DH - I am sorry that you feel the need to give your mother the gift of such grief on such an important day to her - the birth of her oldest child. Yes, Jeremy, you forget, the day is just as important to me as it is to you. Stop being so hurtful with your words. They don't serve any of us well.


Please also do not take your guilt out on us because you were unable to meet your financial obligations to us.  SFIL and I have done nothing but provide you and your family with love and support for years. In return, this is how you treat us? By denying us the opportunity to see our granddaughter? 

We have given up a lot of things so that you could begin your life again. We did it because we love you. I only shared with you today that I was disappointed that you would not think to pay off your debt before saving up money to buy another house. Although we would be happy for you to have another house, we felt it was important for you to be debt free first.

And in regard to the partial debt payment we received after the condo was sold.... it was technically our money, not yours - since the money that came out of the proceeds of the sale of the condo, would not have happened if we did not pay your mortgage and other expenses. Actually, all of the money should have been ours, but we did not take it, so that you could have something to start your life in Oregon. 

DH, by keeping ODD from us, and having no contact with us, I believe it is hurtful to ODD, as well, since she is losing the opportunity to have a continuing relationship with us. I am also terribly hurt that you would turn your back on us as your family. Also, it should not matter what time or day it is for you or I to have open and honest discussions. This is something we have always done.

As requested, we will send you a payment plan for you to choose from that can work comfortably with your current income/expenses. Love, Mom



DH is now ready for a CO we would love to write her a letter stating that we will send her checks via certified mail so there is no doubt on payment but we want no other contact than that.



Edited to take out names

Due date/FIL's birthday

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My FIL's birthday is one day after my due date. He really wants my daughter to be born on that day to the point it annoys me. He even went so far as to scratch out my actual due date on paperwork from my doctor. My SO thinks it would be "awesome" for that to happen. Is it selfish of me to not want my daughter to share her birthday with someone else? How can I shut him down from thinking I want that without hurting FIL's feelings?


Don't get me wrong, if she decides to come that day, I will not stop her. But as of right now, I don't really like the idea of it.

The cheese is sliding off her cracker *TRIGGER*

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BG: http://community.babycenter.com/post/a43885801/email_from_tod_mother_ud_p4_-_fm_attack


Short version, emotionally unstable alcoholic mom swears she has stopped drinking but hasn't had any treatment for her addiction or mental health issues. She stopped showing up stumbling drunk when called out for it, but she then started willy nilly not showing up at all.


The final straw was her standing us for a virtual stranger when I was 38 weeks pregnant with DS, leaving my daughter sobbing because her grandmother ditched her. My BP spiked, my water broke, but labour didn't start. I'll never know if the stress caused by my pathetic excuse for a mother is part of the reason I had a RCS instead of the VBAC I had my heart set on. It was a very complicated pregnancy that came after the hell pregancy loss and fertility treatments, and I can't think about what could have happened if she had pulled the same stunt a few weeks earlier.


That was six months ago. She has been in indefinite TO ever since. I'm still waiting for an acknowledgement of wrongdoing and a genuine apology. Don't worry, I'm not holding my breath.


I put up with her shit for my whole life and even (FAIL on my part) allowed it to affect my daughter, until I saw the look of hurt on my little girl's face that I'm sure was on mine a million times as a child and swore I would *NEVER* allow my mother to hurt her again. 


**TRIGGER**


My dad committed suicide when I was two years old. Oh, and she lied to me about how he died until I was in my twenties. I'm 39 now. My mom uses that traumatic event as her excuse for every bad decision she has made since, and there have been a lot of them. She never accepts accountability, never apologizes and she CERTAINLY has never done a single thing that could be remotely construed as making amends. 


Forgive my lack of sensitivity, but she has had nearly four decades to seek treatment for her emotional issues. I have finally come to the realization that she doesn't WANT to get better, because if she's not the sad, pathetic victim she doesn't know who she is. That makes me feel sorry for her, but not sorry enough to allow her to pass her misery down to the next generation. 


**END TRIGGER**


After my last email (incl. in background) which basically told her that she wouldn't be seeing my children for the foreseeable future, I sent everything to a separate folder that I never look at, I just wanted to save the history in case she started stirring shit up legally. I accidentally checked it tonight (that will teach me to try to recover a deleted coupon for take-out) and found this email she sent 12 days ago. 


(Hated childhood nickname that I've asked her to stop using 100 times),


I would really like to see the children sometime before Christmas.  I'm not looking at all for an invitation for our usual Christmas eve/day.  But maybe a walk from school to home one day in the next two weeks or (local restaurant) for lunch.  Or any variation/compromise that you can suggest would be good.


It's been 6 months since I've seen (DD) and I miss her very much and hope she's adjusting well to her school days. She's the only joy is my life.  I bet she's already forgotten me.  And I've missed all of (DS) early milestones like smiling, laughing, rolling over and I guess by now he's working really hard to sit-up.


If you agree to this request, I'll only ask to see them in the future for sometime around Christmas, around each of their birthdays, and maybe sometime in late summer, early fall.  Just 4 times a years.


Please give this some thought before you say "no".  


I'm never going to stop asking.


(Annoying grandmother pet-name she gave herself)


I know BH is the only thing to do, but I have GOT to type my reply. I'm not sending it to her because I might as well build myself a fucking brick wall to talk to. It's equally useless. Scratch that, I could at least use the brick wall to provide shade in my backyard. So that leaves me with you as my sounding board, DWIL. Sorry! 


Mother,


Might I just say that as your daughter, reading that someone else is the "only joy" in your life just fills my heart with feelings of love. Truly, I am basking in your maternal warmth. You say you have missed all of DS' firsts. I am compelled to remind you that you already witnessed all of those firsts WITH YOUR OWN CHILD. But thank you for yet again driving home the point that I don't count. It reminds me that I am doing the right thing by keeping you away from my babies. Someday they will be less cute, and I don't want to pick up the pieces when you lose interest in them too. 


My children are not your do-over family. You fucked it up egregiously the first time, and you have been just as spectacular a failure as a grandmother. How many opportunities to hurt and endanger us do you feel you're entitled to? You've already had more than I care to think about. 


Once again you are asking me to give you access to my children while doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to acknowledge wrongdoing or demonstrate changes to your outlook or behaviour. You are not contacting me to say you have sought the professional help you desperately need. You're not asking what you can do to make things right. Instead youre treating tiny, defenseless children like they're the antidote to your deep, festering unhappiness. That's a depraved mentality. 


By telling me that you're never going to stop asking, you're confirming my suspicion that you're never going to change. You're going to continue to do whatever the fuck you like. I was right, it IS pointless to proceed. I'll let you in on a little secret: My life is happier without you in it. 


Merry Christmas, and fuck off and die. 


Me


I guess I should have a question in here somewhere. I'm right, aren't I? She's never going to even try to change. I should just call my old therapist to set something up in the New Year to work on letting go of the anger and make the warm, loving parent/child relationship in my life the one I have with my own children. 


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